tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5642118029917636850.post6237506677481106753..comments2023-10-30T12:47:20.240+00:00Comments on Musings from Gelli Fach: Concerning Cernunnos Part 3: Cernunnos and Lugh; Nature and CultureHilairehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/12698057844619063857noreply@blogger.comBlogger5125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5642118029917636850.post-90426642984437638242019-05-08T20:10:43.182+01:002019-05-08T20:10:43.182+01:00Cernunnos and Lugh are the same God .. they are ma...Cernunnos and Lugh are the same God .. they are manifestations of the same God .. Cernunnos is the "Old" God .. Lugh is the "New" God .. Lugh is the 'son of' Cernunnos .. the Reincarnation of Cernunnos, with new attributes, not previously revealed, as understood by a later tribe of people with a different understanding of how earth and the soil and the trees and the sun and the stars interact .. it is no different than the 'Hebrew god' being given different names in different stories by different writers, yet they, the Israelites, and later, Jews, and later, still, christians, and later, still, Muslims, believe it is the same god throughout all of the stories .. The "Old" God with "New" attributes never before recognized by the humans .. or, in the case of the Muslims, the "old" god, "allah", being defiled by false teachings .. and, in the case of the christians, the "old" god, "christ" [even though he was only 500 years old], being defiled by the "false" Celtic Gods, who were 10,000 years old .. but Cernunnos and Lugh are manifestations of the TRUE TRIUNE Godhead [one God with many attributes and different names within many languages] that was damaged and defiled by the false teachings of the catholic Satanism called christianity .. Bradh MacBradh Cernunnos [born Brad Hartliep]https://www.blogger.com/profile/15867702205273110503noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5642118029917636850.post-13674947084805853852014-01-02T13:22:00.834+00:002014-01-02T13:22:00.834+00:00I wasn't meaning to suggest that Cernunnos and...I wasn't meaning to suggest that Cernunnos and Lugh are identical, clearly they are not as they are sometimes depicted together. I was just pointing out that there is overlap and that they both address certain human preoccupations and concerns from a different perspective perhaps because of changes caused by human development - while also having their own areas of influence which don't overlap.<br /><br />I don't think it is so clear cut to say that Lugus is a sun god. This idea was particularly promoted by the Victorians - attributed, iirc, from a late manuscript of Cath Maigh Tuired which describes him as appearing in terms of the rising sun. It’s controversial among scholars today I think.<br /><br />It’s likely that he does have an association with light, but some scholars think this is the light of a lightning flash, related to his spear (and possibly the flash of enlightenment since he is also associated with cultural and intellectual abilities). He doesn’t appear to have been worshipped as a sun god.<br /><br />I find the idea of Cernunnos as an earth god and Lugus as a light-from-sky related god rather resonant though. It's true that Cernunnos doesn't have sky associations that I'm aware of. In a rather symbolic way it fits in with the idea of an early earth-based, female orientated religion displaced by a more male orientated sky religion. Not given much credence in academic circles these days I think.<br />Hilairehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12698057844619063857noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5642118029917636850.post-73654966541980150182013-12-27T17:16:17.543+00:002013-12-27T17:16:17.543+00:00Cenunos is older than that: the first depiction of...Cenunos is older than that: the first depiction of an horned men (staglike) is 7K BC if i remember well, a painting in a cavern. Its hard to relate Cernunos to Lugh, one being a earthian god the other being a sun god, they have very distinctive roles even if trought history there s small overlaps in roles due to both being providers of good.fdelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06163325638549241871noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5642118029917636850.post-11626028799903491812011-08-07T17:21:55.015+01:002011-08-07T17:21:55.015+01:00Manawyddan is also am excellent negotiator, isn...Manawyddan is also am excellent negotiator, isn't he? Like a modern lawyer he thinks of every contingency and possible negative outcome and puts safeguards into the agreement with the Otherworldly lord. Skillful!Hilairehttp://www.musingsfromgellifach.blogspot.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5642118029917636850.post-70618745895172971842011-08-05T22:23:15.378+01:002011-08-05T22:23:15.378+01:00Interesting that you cite the third branch of Y Ma...Interesting that you cite the third branch of <i>Y Mabinogi</i> in the Nature v Culture discussion. It's often said that the enchantment on Dyfed is Wasteland theme, but of course the land isn't waste but 'anghyfanedd' i.e. 'undomesticated'. It still teems with wild game and the natural environment is intact. What is missing is the farms and the people who live on the land. It is this that Manawyddan restores at the same time as bringing back Rhiannon and Pryderi into the newly re-domesticated environment.<br /><br /><br />The Cernunnos / Lugh interaction you suggest is very suggestive and brings out the complexities of the process as well as seeing it clearly. Much to think about here.Greghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11726139484953008689noreply@blogger.com